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Brennsoftware -> Audio CD (MAC)

hätte mal ne blöde frage..

welches prog ist optimal zum audio-cd brennen auf mac??

geht um wav, aiff, flac und mp3..

irgwie kommt mir vor, dass bei den ganzen 0815 progs wie itunes, mediaplayer etc die quali teilweise zu wünschen übrig lässt.. vl täusch ich mich auch..

seit ich das mac book hab (über das ich mit "Burn" brenne..), kommts vor, dass zb track nummer 6 funst, track 7 nur bis zur hälfte, track 8 gar nicht, track 9 funst wieder etc etc (auch wenn alle tunes das gleiche fileformat haben.. kenns bei win mediaplayer, dass er teilweise mp3 nicht mit wav zusammen auf ne audio brennen kann.. ka wieso..)..

wäre sehr um hilfe dankbar, da google und co nicht wirklich hilft..

ach ja - cds sind nat zum auflegen auf cdjs gedacht

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Re: Brennsoftware -> Audio CD (MAC)

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irgwie kommt mir vor, dass bei den ganzen 0815 progs wie itunes, mediaplayer etc die quali teilweise zu wünschen übrig lässt.. vl täusch ich mich auch..

Kommts dir nur so vor oder ist es wirklich so? Das solltest du wohl erst mal abklären.

Also einmal mit iTunes brennen und dann einmal mit einem "Profiprogramm" deiner Wahl am PC und dann vergleich die Qualität.

Bin zwar schon ewig Mac-User aber ich brenne nichts. Die letzte Audio CD ist Jahre her und ich vermute dass ich iTunes verwendet habe. Kann das überhaupt FLAC? Zur Not mach halt vorm Brennen aus allen Files WAVs wenns sonst nicht klappt.

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... wie urmenschen die vorm feuer stehn ...

wenn cd nicht durchgehend funzt ist dein laufwerk hin bzw. zu ungenau/dreckig, das hängt nicht vom brennprogramm ab.
jegliche steuerung der hw / des lasers macht der treiber und die firmware

langsamer brennen kann helfen muss aber nicht.

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wenn cd nicht durchgehend funzt ist dein laufwerk hin bzw. zu ungenau/dreckig, das hängt nicht vom brennprogramm ab. jegliche steuerung der hw / des lasers macht der treiber und die firmware
Naja, wenn die CD ned ordentlich gebrannt wird dann kriegst eh eine Fehlermeldung! Hatte noch nie eine CD die erfolgreich gebrannt wurde und dann nicht lief.

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falls du ein brauchbares brennprogramm brauchst:

roxio toast titanium...

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roxio toast titanium...



nie probleme damit, egal was ich brenne, kann ich ebenfalls empfehlen.

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thx für die replys!!

roxio toast schaut schon mal extrem gut aus!

vl hab ich teilweise einfach zu schnell gebrannt.. hab mir jetzt mal standardmäßig 8x eingestellt (hat bei den letzten paar cds jetzt auch gefunst)

@tenchu: glaub eben schon, dass das programm nen unterschied macht, da die formate (mp3, flac, aiff etc) ja konvertiert werden, bevor sie auf die audio-cd gebrannt werden.. und denk da gibts ganz gewaltige (auch qualitative) unterschiede der einzelnen konverter..

und das komische ist, dass bei den gebrannten (und auch abgeschlossenen!) cds nie ne fehlermeldung kam nach dem brennen, aber wie gesagt trotzdem einzelne tunes nicht funktioniert haben oder nur teilweise..

bin draufgekommen, dass es ganz wichtig ist, eine veränderung des pegels beim brennen bzw konvertieren (normalisieren der zu brennenden tunes -> alle auf gleiche "lautstärke" brennen) zu unterbinden (meist nur ein häkchen, dass man deaktivieren muss..)!!
qualität ist sonst unter jeder sau!

hab jetzt mal die selbe cd mit itunes, win-mp und roxio toast gebrannt (win-mp auf nem win7 rechner, die beiden anderen auf meinem mac pro), jeweils mit und ohne normalisieren..

qualitätsunterschiede sind teilweise massivst!

alle mit normalisierung waren viel zu leise und bässe bzw höhen haben teilweise gefehlt oder waren zu laut / zu leise etc.. (glaub die wurden eben durchs konvertieren & normalisieren verhunzt..)

die itunes-cd war auch nicht grad der hammer (auch schwache bässe und eigenartige höhen) - hab mir sagen lassen, dass itunes auf 256kbps konvertiert, was das ganze erklären würde..

die nicht normalisierte win-mp bzw roxio toast cd hat eig am besten geklungen! da hab ich bei beiden kaum einen unterschied feststellen können..

vl findet sich ja wirklich mal wer, der sich da 100% auskennt und mich aufklären kann

danke für die hilfe so far!!!!

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... wie urmenschen die vorm feuer stehn ...




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thx für die replys!!

roxio toast schaut schon mal extrem gut aus!

vl hab ich teilweise einfach zu schnell gebrannt.. hab mir jetzt mal standardmäßig 8x eingestellt (hat bei den letzten paar cds jetzt auch gefunst)

@tenchu: glaub eben schon, dass das programm nen unterschied macht, da die formate (mp3, flac, aiff etc) ja konvertiert werden, bevor sie auf die audio-cd gebrannt werden.. und denk da gibts ganz gewaltige (auch qualitative) unterschiede der einzelnen konverter..

und das komische ist, dass bei den gebrannten (und auch abgeschlossenen!) cds nie ne fehlermeldung kam nach dem brennen, aber wie gesagt trotzdem einzelne tunes nicht funktioniert haben oder nur teilweise..



nur weil dein dvd rom eine gute lese diode und fehlerkorrektur hat heißt das netd as deine mies gebrannte cd woanders auch eiwandfrei gehen muss.

kein computer kann wissen ob der schreibleser verdreckt oder unscharf ist
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bin draufgekommen, dass es ganz wichtig ist, eine veränderung des pegels beim brennen bzw konvertieren (normalisieren der zu brennenden tunes -> alle auf gleiche "lautstärke" brennen) zu unterbinden (meist nur ein häkchen, dass man deaktivieren muss..)!!
qualität ist sonst unter jeder sau!

hab jetzt mal die selbe cd mit itunes, win-mp und roxio toast gebrannt (win-mp auf nem win7 rechner, die beiden anderen auf meinem mac pro), jeweils mit und ohne normalisieren..

qualitätsunterschiede sind teilweise massivst!

alle mit normalisierung waren viel zu leise und bässe bzw höhen haben teilweise gefehlt oder waren zu laut / zu leise etc.. (glaub die wurden eben durchs konvertieren & normalisieren verhunzt..)

die itunes-cd war auch nicht grad der hammer (auch schwache bässe und eigenartige höhen) - hab mir sagen lassen, dass itunes auf 256kbps konvertiert, was das ganze erklären würde..

die nicht normalisierte win-mp bzw roxio toast cd hat eig am besten geklungen! da hab ich bei beiden kaum einen unterschied feststellen können..

vl findet sich ja wirklich mal wer, der sich da 100% auskennt und mich aufklären kann

danke für die hilfe so far!!!! [/B]


wenn du ein brennprogramm zum mastern verwendest dann is eh schon alles verloren. probiers mal mit ner wünschelroute oder cd-brennsteinnen neben dem computer, damit die low quality bits vergolded werden.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc

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@ tenchu: heast der verwendet an mac pro

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nur weil dein dvd rom eine gute lese diode und fehlerkorrektur hat heißt das netd as deine mies gebrannte cd woanders auch eiwandfrei gehen muss.

kein computer kann wissen ob der schreibleser verdreckt oder unscharf ist



also seit ich roxio verwende und nur 8fach brenne funst alles einwandfrei..

würd mich also wundern, wenns am brenner / laser liegt (va da das teil keine 5 monate alt ist und selten verwendet wird.. wurden bisher max 30cds gebrannt)


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wenn du ein brennprogramm zum mastern verwendest dann is eh schon alles verloren. probiers mal mit ner wünschelroute oder cd-brennsteinnen neben dem computer, damit die low quality bits vergolded werden.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_Disc



verwend brennprogramme eben NICHT zum mastern! nur ist eben bei vielen standardmäßig "normalisieren" bzw lautstärkenanpassung aller audio-files aktiviert, was die qualität total verhunzt (sry, wenn ich mich etwas laienhaft ausdrücke, aber bin alles andere als ein audio-engineer..)

aber danke für den konstruktiven beitrag

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sry, cd brennen ist hat ka esoterik... und congratz das der staub vom laser weg is.

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kennt wer ein gutes brennprogramm um audio-cd's auf einem pc zu brennen? hab bis jetzt immer mit i tunes gebrannt aber ich hab manchmal auch aussetzer bei einzelnen liedern..

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keine ahnung wo das konkrete problem eurer gebrannten cds liegt..

egal womit ich bisher gebrannt hab,
ich hatte weder aussetzer noch sonst irgendwelche seltsamen artefakte...

ich normalisiere die tracks in einem audioeditor,
und lediglich das brennen macht dann die jeweilige software...

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itunes stinkt in jeder hinsicht.

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