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Iraq Election Spells Total Defeat for US

"The election, billed by Mr Bush and Mr Blair, as the birth of a new Iraqi state may in fact prove to be its funeral."

Iraq Election Spells Total Defeat for US
By PATRICK COCKBURN
in Baghdad

Iraq is disintegrating. The first results from the parliamentary election last week show that the country is dividing up between Shia, Sunni and Kurdish regions. The secular and nationalist candidate backed by the US and Britain was humiliatingly defeated.

The Shia religious coalition has won a total victory in Baghdad and the south of Iraq. The Sunni Arab parties who openly or covertly support armed resistance to the US are likely to win large majorities in Sunni provinces.

The election marks the final shipwreck of American and British hopes of establishing a pro-western secular democracy in a united Iraq. Islamic fundamentalist movements are ever more powerful in both the Sunni and Shia communities. "In two-and-a-half years Bush has succeeded in creating two new Talibans in Iraq," said Ghassan Attiyah, an Iraqi commentator.

The success of the United Arab Alliance, the coalition of Shia religious parties, has been far greater than expected according to preliminary results from last Thursday's election. It won 58 per cent of the vote in Baghdad, while Iyad Allawi, the former prime minister whom Tony Blair has strongly supported, got only 14 per cent of the vote. In the second city of Iraq, Basra, 77 per cent of voters supported the Alliance and only 11 per cent Mr Allawi.

The election was portrayed by President George W. Bush as a sign of success for US policies in Iraq, but in fact means the triumph of America's enemies inside and outside the country. Iran will be pleased that the Shia religious parties whom it has supported, often for decades, have become the strongest political force.

Ironically Bush is more than ever dependent within Iraq on the goodwill of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, for all his maverick reputation. It is the allies of Iran who are growing in influence by the day and have now triumphed in the election. The US will hope that Tehran will be satisfied with this. Iran may be happier with a weakened Iraq in which it is a predominant influence rather than see the country entirely break up.

Another victor in the election is the nationalist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr whose Mehdi Army militia fought fierce battles with US troops last year. The US military said at the time it intended "to kill or capture him." Mr Bush cited the recapture of the holy city of Najaf from the Mehdi Army in August 2004 as an important success for the US army. Al-Sadr will now be one of the most influential leaders within the coalition.

All the parties which did well in the election have strength only within their own community. The Shia coalition succeeded because the Shia make up 60 per cent of Iraqis, but won almost no votes among the Kurds or Sunni each of whom is about 20 per cent of the population. The Sunni and the Kurdish parties won no support outside their own communities.

The highly-regarded US ambassador in Baghdad, Zilmay Khalilzad, sounded almost despairing yesterday as he reviewed the results of the election. "It looks as if people have preferred to vote for their ethnic or sectarian identities," he said. 'But for Iraq to succeed there has to be cross-ethnic and cross-sectarian co-operaton."

The election also means a decisive switch from a secular Iraq to a country in which, outside Kurdistan, religious law will be paramount. Mr Allawi, who ran a well-financed campaign with slick television advertising, was the main secular hope but this did not translate into votes. The other main non-religious candidate Ahmed Chalabi received less than one per cent of the vote in Baghdad and will be lucky to win a single seat in the new 275-member Council of Representatives.

"People underestimate how religious Iraq has become," said one Iraqi observer. He added: "Iran is really a secular society with a religious leadership, but Iraq will be a religious society with a religious leadership." Already most girls leaving schools in Baghdad wear headscarves. Women's rights in cases of divorce and inheritance are being eroded.

Sunni Arab leaders were aghast yesterday at the electoral triumph of the Shia, claiming fraud. Adnan al-Dulaimi, the head of the Sunni Arab alliance, the Iraqi Accordance Front, said that if the electoral commission did not respond to their complaints "we will demand that the elections be held again in Baghdad."

Mr Allawi's Iraqi National List also protested. Ibrahim al-Janabi, a party official, said: "The elections commission is not independent. It is influenced by political parties and by the government."

But while there was probably some fraud and intimidation the results of the election mirror the way in which the Shia majority in Iraq are systematically taking over the levers of power. They already control the Ministry of the Interior with 110,000 police and paramilitary units. Most of the troops in the 80,000 strong army being trained by the US army are Shia.

Mr Khalilzad said yesterday that "you can't have someone who is regarded as sectarian, for example as minister of the interior." This is a not so-veiled criticism of the present minister, Bayan Jabr, a leading member of the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq, the largest Shia party. He is accused of running death squads and torture centres whose victims are Sunni Arabs.

But it is unlikely that the Shia religious parties and their militias will tolerate any roll back in their power. "They feel their day has come," said Mr Attiyah. For six months they have ruled Iraq in an alliance with the Kurds. The Kurdish leaders are not very happy with the way this government has worked saying that Ibrahim al-Jaafari, the prime minister, has broken cooperation agreements.

The Kurds, supported by the US, will now try to dilute Shia control of government by bringing in Sunni ministers and Mr Allawi. But one Kurdish leader said: "We have a strategic alliance with the Shia religious parties we would be unwise to break." The Shia will also be averse to giving powerful posts to politicians like Mr Allawi who have done so poorly at the polls.

The elections are also unlikely to see a diminution in armed resistance to the US by the Sunni community. Insurgent groups have made clear that they see winning seats in parliament as the opening of another front. The US is trying to conciliate the Sunni by the release of 24 top Baathist leaders without charges.But the main demand of the Sunni resistance is a time table for a US withdrawal without which they are unlikely to agree a ceasefire � even if they had the unity to negotiate such an agreement.

The new constitution Iraq, overwhelmingly approved in a referendum on October 15 , already creates two super-regions, one Kurdish and the other Shia, which will have quasi-independence. Local law will be superior to national law. They will own newly discovered oil reserves. They will have their own armed forces. They envisage an Iraq which will be a loose confederation rather than a unified state.

The break up of Iraq has been brought closer by last week's election. The great majority of people who went to the polls voted as Shia, Sunni or Kurds. The forces pulling Iraq apart are stronger than those holding it together. The election, billed by Mr Bush and Mr Blair, as the birth of a new Iraqi state may in fact prove to be its funeral.

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wiedermal wunderschoen herraus gesucht-nur was DU damit sagen willst ist mir nicht klar...........
und deine signatur ist auch sehr suess...........
in dem gesammten steht nicht mehr drinnen als das ich dir schon schrieb.........waehrend du mir einen satz hin gespuckt hast"und der krieg geht weiter"....
ich spucke jetzt auch........blicke in die seele des irakers um den wahren grund seiner unzufriedenheit zu realizieren..........ABER...kannst du das von deinem standpunkt???


ich wuensch dir was
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ach komm. im artikel oben steht was ganz anderes als das, was du im anderen thread gepostet hast. und was mein kommentar dass der krieg weitergeht betrifft, sorry to rain on your parade, aber es war vom anfang an klar, dass diese wahlen daran nichts ändern würden.

und vielleicht willst du poetisch sein oder whatever, aber von der seele "des" irakers zu sprechen ist ein wenig naja... es gibt 27 millionen iraker und sie haben unterschiedlichste gründe unzufrieden zu sein. ich kann das von meinem standpunkt sher gut verstehen.

anyway, es geht in diesem krieg um mehr als nur um einen staat. vielleicht kannst du das nicht verstehen?

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"It's dark. That tune's never left my head. That tune is still going around my head from the first time I heard it. And the thing about those drums: they're still the future. It's not a lost art – people still don't know how to do those drums. It's an unknown thing. It's like the last fucking secret left in music: how you do those drums. I've tried. I've locked myself away and tried. And the thing about garage is: the more you look at it like some tech-boy producer, the less you get it."
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wenn du diese artikel postest,muss du was damit bezwecken wollen....bzw es muss ein grund dafuer geben.......was willst du damit ausdruecken.....interessiert mich immernoch.......und erklaer mir worum es denn in diesem krieg(dass es nicht nur um nen staat geht ist klar...nur) ,welcher nichtmehr exestiert,noch geht...........exestieren tun nur mehr aktionen von splittergruppen.....aber dies ist kein krieg......!!!!!!!
du befindest dich immernoch in dessert storm und verbrennst amerikanische flaggen........

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ich poste diese artikel, weil sie die situation im irak gut analysieren.

und worum es in diesem krieg geht - naja, das ist auch nicht so einfach. jede seite in diesem krieg verfolgt andere interessen. was die amerikanische (neocon) seite betrifft, geplant war die direkte kontrolle über die wichtigsten energiequellen der welt (im irak und anderen staaten in der region). zusätzlich war auch eine eskalation des militarismus geplant. zum glück hat es nicht so funktioniert, wie sie es sich vorgestellt haben. hoffentlich werden sie bald anfangen, an der schadensbegrenzung zu arbeiten.

und das ist sehr wohl ein krieg. was meinst du mit "splittergruppen"? die überreste des alten regimes? das nimmt wohl kein vernünftiger mensch mehr ernst.

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was ist eigentlich mit dem anderen thread passiert........???
waren wohl zu viele fakten darin,welche fuer sich gesprochen haben...........von gestern auf heute,einfach weg.........na ja........die selben mittel....so loescht man auch geschichte....nicht besser.......leider

aber zu viele eigene gedanken oeffnen wohl die tueren aus der allgemein ideologie und dem massendenken.....

verbindungen sind alles in der welt!
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der thread ist noch da, es werden aber nur threads aus letzten 30 tagen angezeigt.

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"It's dark. That tune's never left my head. That tune is still going around my head from the first time I heard it. And the thing about those drums: they're still the future. It's not a lost art – people still don't know how to do those drums. It's an unknown thing. It's like the last fucking secret left in music: how you do those drums. I've tried. I've locked myself away and tried. And the thing about garage is: the more you look at it like some tech-boy producer, the less you get it."
~Burial

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na ja...man lernt dazu
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