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jay-s
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roadmaps to peace?

quote:
Noam Chomsky

It’s interesting to read it. One of the rules of journalism—I don’t know exactly how it got established, but it’s held with absolute consistency—is that when you mention George Bush’s name in an article, the headline has to speak of his vision and the article has to talk about his dreams. Maybe there will be a photograph of him right next to it peering into the distance. And one of George Bush’s dreams and visions is to have a Palestinian state somewhere, sometime, in some unspecified place, maybe in the desert. And we are supposed to worship and praise that as a magnificent vision. It has become a convention of journalists. There was a lead story in the Wall Street Journal on March 21 which I think had the words “vision” and “dream” about ten times.

The vision and the dream is that maybe the United States will stop undermining totally the long-term efforts of the rest of the world, virtually without exception, to create some kind of a viable political settlement. Up until now, the U.S. has been blocking it, for the last twenty-five to thirty years. The Bush administration went even further in blocking it, sometimes in pretty extreme ways, so extreme that they weren’t even reported.

For example, last December at the U.N., for the first time the Bush administration reversed U.S. policy on Jerusalem. Up until now, the U.S. had, at least in principle, gone along with the 1968 Security Council resolution ordering Israel to revoke its annexation and occupation and settlement policies in East Jerusalem. And for the first time, last December, the Bush administration reversed that. That’s one of many cases intended to undermine the possibility of any meaningful political settlement. To disguise this, it’s called a vision, and the effort to pursue it is called a U.S. initiative, although in fact what it really is, as anyone who pays the slightest attention to the history knows, is a U.S. effort to catch up to long-standing European and Arab efforts and to try to cut them down so they don’t mean very much. The great praise for Sharon in the United States, who is now considered a great statesman—he is after, after all, one of the leading terrorist commanders in the world for the last fifty years—that’s an interesting phenomenon, and it reveals another substantial achievement of propaganda, the whole story, and a dangerous one.

In mid-March, Bush made what was called his first significant pronouncement on the Middle East, on the Arab/Israeli problem. He gave a speech. Big headlines. First significant statement in years. If you read it, it was boilerplate, except for one sentence. That one sentence, if you take a look at it closely, gives his roadmap: as the peace process advances, Israel should terminate new settlement programs. What does that mean? That means until the peace process reaches a point that Bush endorses, which could be indefinitely far in the future, until then Israel should continue to build settlements. That’s a change in policy. Up until now, officially at least, the U.S. has been opposed to expansion of the illegal settlement programs that make a political settlement impossible. But now Bush is saying the opposite: Go on and settle. We’ll keep paying for it, until we decide that somehow the peace process has reached an adequate point. So, yes, it was a significant change towards more aggression, undermining of international law, and undermining of the possibilities of peace. That’s not the way it was portrayed. But take a look at the wording.

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Xenus
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vollständige Vernichtung des Staates Israel vs. grünes Licht zur "Vernichtung" der Hamas



Kein Dialog mit "Schwächlingen"..

..grünes Licht zur "Vernichtung"..

"mit allen Mitteln zerreiben"..

.."alle Kinder, Frauen und Männer sind Ziele"..

.."Bomben für Bomben und Blut für Blut"...



..wenns nur leere sprüche wären..wärs schon schlimm genug..so kommt mir echt das kotzen..es is zum heulen..

..da ist kein Ende in Sicht..verdammt es ändert sich nichts..
der Krieg bleibt im Geschäft..

.."die firma" is sonst ned mein fall aber "kein ende in sicht" hat was..

:PEACE:

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nothing more to add......

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jaja, chomsky...

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chomsky von nationalzeitung interviewt

nachdem im oktober schon arundhati roy der rechtsextremen "jungen freiheit" ein interview gegeben hat, war nun auch die zeit reif für eine der grössten ikonen der noglobal-bewegung, noam chomsky: die "nationalzeitung", die dem dvu-führer g. frey gehört, ruft schon seit längerem in ihren editorials zum kauf von chomskys büchern auf, jetzt druckte sie über zwei ausgaben ein ausführliches exklusiv-interview mit selbigem ab. vorgestellt wurde er als vorkämpfer für meinungsfreiheit, der sich auch für free speech für holocaustleugnerinnen einsetzt. 1980 hat chomsky übrigens das vorwort zu einem solchen buch geschrieben.
doch nicht nur hier, sondern wohl vor allem in seiner harten kritik an den usa und israel und seinem recht simplen kapitalismusverständnis, liegen anknüpfungspunkte für die antisemitischen weltverschwörungstheorien der rechten.
neben arundhati roy und n. chomsky haben sich auch schon andere prominente exponenten der noglobals mit äusserst fragwürdigen äusserungen oder aktionen hervorgetan. so soll bsp.weise jose bove, der pfeifenrauchende militante mcdonalds-hasser, dem mossad die schuld für die anschläge auf die synagogen in frankreich gegeben haben. erst kürzlich berichtete das englische antifa-mag "searchlight" detailliert darüber, wie attac-polen von rechtsextremen und antisemitinnen übernommen worden ist und trotzdem noch kohle von attac-frankreich bekommt. und dass bei indymedia.de auch schon mal ab und zu lupenreine nazitexte auf die startseite kommen, solange sie sich nur ausreichend gegen die usa positionieren, ist ja auch nichts neues.
langsam sollte sich die "globalisierungskritische linke" gedanken machen, wieso viele rechte/nationalrevolutionäre so interessiert daran sind eine querfront herzustellen und wieso das manchmal so mühelos gelingt...

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quote:
vorgestellt wurde er als vorkämpfer für meinungsfreiheit, der sich auch für free speech für holocaustleugnerinnen einsetzt. 1980 hat chomsky übrigens das vorwort zu einem solchen buch geschrieben.
doch nicht nur hier, sondern wohl vor allem in seiner harten kritik an den usa und israel und seinem recht simplen kapitalismusverständnis, liegen anknüpfungspunkte für die antisemitischen weltverschwörungstheorien der rechten.

jaja. diese lächerliche angriffe auf chomsky sind nicht neu.

chomsky unterstützt tatsächlich die freiheit der meinungsäußerung, auch für die nazis. damit bin ich einverstanden. er hat aber keine einführung für ein rechtradikales buch geschrieben. ein text, den er geschrieben hat, wurde als einführung verendet. ich habe den text durchgelesen und der ist ok.

chomsky gilt als ein linker, btw.

was "verschwörungstheorien" betrifft, das ist die traditionelle art dissidenten lächerlich zu machen. ich habe mehrere bücher von chomsky gelesen, dort gibt's keine spur von verschwörungstheorien oder anti-semitismus (chomsky ist ein jude).

kennst du überhaupt chomskys bücher usw?

und zum thema "roadmaps", auch andere menschen mit gehirn nehmen sie nicht ernst.

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chomsky über diese berühmte einfürung für faurissons buch:

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noch etwas, es interessiert mich echt warum man die israelische besatzung palästinas nicht kritisieren darf, ohne dass solche lächerliche beschuldigungen als antwort kommen - "noglobal-bewegung" (statt "global justice" bewegung, die eigentlich nichts gegen die globalisierung hat), "recht simpler kapitalismusverständnis" (ohne zu erklären, was daran simpel oder falsch ist, klar doch, es ist ja zu kompliziert für uns sterbliche), "verschwörungstheorien" (chomsky hat sich oft genug explizit von solchen theorien distanziert, aber man kann dieses "argument" immer wieder verwenden, wenn man sonst nichts zu sagen hat), "antisemitismus" (chomsky wurde auch beschuldigt, er wäre "a self-hating jew", ist das nicht faszinierend?), "antiamerikanismus" (wer amerika kritisiert, muss amerika hassen auch wenn er ein amerikaner ist, für kritik gibt's bekanntlich keinen grund)

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