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slickdevlan
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Question unterschied zwischen balanced und unbalanced out?

jetzt mal frage an die spezialisten:

was genau ist eigentlich der unterschied zwischen einem balanced output und einem unbalanced output?
bzw. merkt man dabei unterschiede, wenn man vom mischpult direkt auf die endstufe geht?

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bei unbalanced hast du im kabel 2 leitungen (+/ground) bei balanced 3 leitungen (+/-/ground); dabei wird beim aussenden und empfangen das " - " signal jeweils um 180° zum + signal phasenverdreht, beim zweiten phasendreher werden somit störgeräusche die am signalweg eingestreut werden durch interferenz ausgelöscht, "-" und "+" signal sind wieder in phase und frei von störgeräuschen wie brummen und so weiter, sehr praktisch bei langen übertragungswegen... is einfacher zum erklären wenn mans aufzeichnen kann


zu deiner frage mischpult --> endstufe:

grundsätzlich kannst du mal sagen wenn beides über XLR läuft gibts kein prob, das is eigentlich immer symmetrisch(=balanced).
wenn du von unbalanced auf balanced willst musst du ne DI-Box davorhängen, die erledigt das phasendrehen.

chinch is immer unbalanced, über stereo-klinke kannst du auch balanced fahren.

hoffe dir ist etwas geholfen
cheerz

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slickdevlan
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thx für die info.

genau das wollt ich wissen

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@infame hat da jemand sehr gut aufgepasst im unterricht?

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immer...drum hab ichs auch so weit gebracht im leben!



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quote:
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grundsätzlich kannst du mal sagen wenn beides über XLR läuft gibts kein prob, das is eigentlich immer symmetrisch(=balanced).
wenn du von unbalanced auf balanced willst musst du ne DI-Box davorhängen, die erledigt das phasendrehen.



da sollt ma vielleicht noch hinzufügen dass das unsymmetrische kabel das kürzere sein sollt, je mehr fremdeinstreuungen du vor der di-box hast desto mehr kommen auch zur endstufe. grundsätzlich sollt ma unsymmetrische kabel immer so kurz halten wie möglich um die grösstmögliche qualität rauszubekommen (vor allem wenn man mehrere kabel kreuz und quer übereinander liegen hat).

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quote:
"Pussy. It's all about pussy. You've got to sing about pussy to get money.
You've gotta get money so you can get pussy. And you've gotta get pussy so you can sing about it.
And a record company don't want you sing about pussy: they ain't your record company."



"if anybody cares about what i say means that i can't be wrong."

"it's not a bug, it's a feature..."

quote:
Originally posted by mettrax4miliz
binn nu am schlafen hab nur kurtz mei freundin durchlassen und do grod gschaut!

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quote:
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immer...drum hab ichs auch so weit gebracht im leben!

welkam tu se clab

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Thumbs up

jojo, mia san hoit de oberchecker!


@kurze unsym. kabel --> stimmt!

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na wir sind die, die hinter den "wichtigen" stehn und sagen wie's genau geht.

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And a record company don't want you sing about pussy: they ain't your record company."



"if anybody cares about what i say means that i can't be wrong."

"it's not a bug, it's a feature..."

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na wir sind die, die hinter den "wichtigen" stehn und sagen wie's genau geht.


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kinder!

tats da nicht meinen thread hijacken sonst setzts was!
der infame kriegt ein plus für informative informationen, der e-native fällt auch positiv auf.

alle anderen:
nicht genügend! setzen!




bleibt eigentlich eh nur der fmx über... und vielleicht der jubilee. aber wer nimmtn den schon ernst

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